Jo informed the meeting that the first Spangles he obtained were two light greens from Rolf Christenson of Switzerland in October 1980. All his spangles came from these two initial Spangles. The hen was paired to a cock from his best normal line but was split for opaline. He had many chicks from that pair including a Spangle Opaline Cinnamon hen, which was very nice but he was unable to show it as in those days in Germany only normal Spangles were allowed on the show bench. The Cinnamon added feather quality to the variety. After three years, the German society made a special class for Spangle Opalines and Spangle Cinnamons.

Jo found that the wing marking was very good on the normal variety but not as good with the Opaline. When Rolf Christenson sold his Spangles before he went back to Australia he sold some in Switzerland, two to him, for which he paid a lot of money, and the rest to his friend Reinhard Molkentin. In April 1981 he sent a Spangle to Doug Sadler as a present.

Wing marking on Spangles Jo found, is always a problem. The early Spangles had better and well-defined marking. Nowadays with selective pairing a breeder can still achieve that desired marking of the early Spangles. Jo found the Cinnamon factor on the Double Factor was very good as it gave a much clearer body colour.  Jo told the audience that he found the pairing of Double Factor to Single Factor enhanced the wing marking as well as the Yellowface on the Spangles.

Jo informed the audience that he feeds his birds a lot of hard-boiled eggs, 3000 eggs per year. He uses 8 eggs per day with the shell for his 72 breeding cages and mixes them with Orlux egg food, a little parsley and carrots. Every day he uses soaked oats, but not sprouted.

He does not get many outcrosses, the last being 10 years ago, which was a Texas Clearbody. It is difficult for him to compare Spangles in countries unless they are side by side but he judged recently in Brazil and both best and second best in show were Spangles.

Alf Ormerod, Doug Sadler and Jim Moffatt had the most influence on him and Alf had great impact in Germany in upgrading the standard of the birds. Jo felt that hens have a greater influence in the stud than cocks.

Jeff informed the meeting that the first Spangle to win a Challenge Certificate at The Budgerigar Society Club Show, a Spangle Dark Green cock, was benched by the late Vic Smith in 1984 and was shown in the Any Other Colour class. Spangles should be well marked and he finds the dark factor most striking; he once bred a Spangle Goldenface Olive Green, which was a most beautiful bird. Jeff also noticed that with some Spangles the wing marking tends to fade away when the bird gets older.

Jeff reflected on his visit in 1988 to Jo Mannes where he saw birds of such quality that he had never seen before, they were incredible. When visiting him again in 1993 he saw a bird that he wanted and obtained it a year later. This bird laid the foundation to some of his winning stud by improving the feather quality.

Jeff found that pairing two single factor Spangles together tend to produce very well marked single factor Spangles.

Jeff presented his slide show concentrating on the good and bad features of Spangles.

Both Jo and Jeff agreed that Spangles are best kept in the normal varieties only with the dark factor added to them. And although some Spangles have the solid spots now instead of the "bulls-eye" spots, the breeder needs to be very selective in the pairing and keep only those with the good spots.